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Couples with no kids make the best neighbours: survey
Misty Harris , Canwest News Service
Published: Friday, April 11, 2008
When it comes to making good neighbours, fences have nothing on childless couples and retirees.

A new real estate survey finds more than half of homeowners - fully 58 per cent - see twosomes without tots as ideal next-door denizens, followed closely by retirees at 54 per cent (survey respondents weren't limited to one answer). Also popular among the suburban set are singles, with 38 per cent support, and pet owners at 28 per cent.

Students are listed among the worst neighbours (46 per cent), with most respondents saying their presence devalues bordering properties by as much as 10 per cent. Others on the laundry list of undesirables include unrelated people in shared housing (37 per cent), families with teenagers (37 per cent), and families with young children (20 per cent).


When it comes to making good neighbours, fences have nothing on childless couples and retirees, according to a new survey.
Glenn Lowson/National Post

A Canadian real estate expert with nearly 30 years experience in the business says the results of the Australian survey of 1,579 people ring true.

"(Neighbours) not only impact the value of the subject property, they can also negatively impact your lifestyle," says Les Phillips, past president of the Alberta Real Estate Association. "Think noisy, unruly neighbours who party around the firepit until all hours, with a few wrecked cars on the street for good measure."

In the business, he says the effect is known as "locational obsolescence." It describes something that influences property value but cannot be controlled or cured by the homeowner. Excessive street noise is an example.

"Having a lousy neighbour can be the same as having a house right next to the gas station," says Phillips.

"Once you've had a bad experience, (who lives next door) is the No. 1 question. But if you've always had good neighbours, the subject seldom comes up."

Rebecca Rutherford, a lawyer from Toronto, estimates her former neighbours cost her $30,000 on the sale of a previous home.

On the day of her open house, Rutherford recalls the neighbour's teenaged son and his goth friends sat on his front porch drinking beer from noon until 10 p.m. The three offers the Ontario woman had lined up on her home - which was expected to spark a bidding war - were withdrawn shortly after.

"You can choose your friends but not your neighbours," observes Shaun Di. Gregorio, general manager of realestate.com.au, the website that conducted the survey.

A study published by Statistics Canada in 2000 found Atlantic Canadians and residents of Saskatchewan make the friendliest neighbours, followed by those in Manitoba, Ontario, B.C., Alberta and Quebec, respectively.

A later study by the government agency found city dwellers don't know or trust their neighbours as much as rural Canadians, but are equally likely to help or receive help from them.

According to the Australian survey, students and renters are - rightly or wrongly - perceived as playing loud music, being generally rowdy, and showing a lack of interest in maintaining their home's exterior. Similarly, families with teenagers are linked in the public consciousness to slamming doors, loud arguments, and musical instrument practice.

Childless couples and retirees rank well because they're not viewed as intrusive or bothersome to most.

"Some people don't like children - which as a parent, is a tough one to grasp. But they can be noisy and they do cause damage," says Phillips.

"As for retirees, they don't have a lot to do, so they tend to cut their grass regularly, they shovel their snow, they have nice gardens, and they bake you cookies."

The realestate.com.au survey was conducted online during the first week of April. Results are considered accurate within 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
I am surprised renters were not on the list. They have always been among my least favorites, even when DH and I were in their number! In all the years we've rented or owned a place, only two renters were decent neighbors to us. (Interestingly, both were childless/CF couples--one married, one not.) It was so bad that after we bought our first home and lived next to two sets of awful renters, one of my dealbreakers for any other house we bought was if any property touching or across the street from ours was a rental.

I know that not all renters are bad. We probably had terrible luck, but here are the "greatest hits" from our experiences:

1. The woman who threw my clothes out of the washer onto the floor of the laundry room because she "needed" to use all the washers. (I was gone for about 20 minutes, and there was a total of three machines.)

2. The people who parked in our assigned spot regularly even when we asked them politely to stop. Sometimes this would leave us with nowhere to park at all because the guest parking would be full as well.

3. The people with two children who were so noisy neighbors throughout the building complained regularly to the management. They were also too lazy to take their trash to the dumpster and would leave it in the front of our townhome building until they were damn good and ready to take it. Sometimes this would be as long as two weeks. In the meantime, their dog (or neighbors' dogs) would break open the bag and strew trash all over the lawn.

4. The people who let their kid play in our driveway and leave his kindercrap in our yard. When asked to stop, they said, "This is a family neighborhood. Our kids play in this cul-de-sac because it's safe. If you don't like it, move!"

5. The infamous lesbian with revolving roommates/lovers, all of whom looked shockingly like one another. The affairs would always end badly, with one of them on the lawn at 3:00 a.m. screaming at the top of her lungs, "Call 911! She's trying to kill me!" She also had two untrained dogs that ate through our fence and dug up our plants every few weeks. When called on this, she said, "I work for the police. If you don't like it, you can kiss my ass!"

6. The single moo and her precocious daughter, who would ask for rides to the theme park all the way across town (with no offer of gas money), and who, one day, came by to ask for pickles to make burgers. Ten minutes later, she was back asking for ketchup. Shortly after that, she needed bread. I finally left because I was sure she'd be coming around looking for the meat next!
dune67 Wrote:I am surprised renters were not on the list.

It does mention renters:
Quote:According to the Australian survey, students and renters are - rightly or wrongly - perceived as playing loud music, being generally rowdy, and showing a lack of interest in maintaining their home's exterior.

I hate having to be back in the world of renters again, but we have to move every couple of years because of the military, so we're stuck. Potential landlords are okay with us, though, because we own a home in Maine and have to rent it out, so we know what it's like to be landlords and we treat the houses we live in well. We're renting the house we're living in now from other military officers (husband is a Navy officer and the wife is a Marine officer--helicopter pilot to boot), so they feel they can trust us and they wanted us in here from the moment we got in touch with them when we were looking.

But the people next door to us are also renters and they fucking suck ass and I hate them. The rest of the houses on the street are occupied by owners and they're all pretty nice and quiet, but the renters next door are total trash and I wish they'd run out of money already and go away, but I doubt that will happen.
Banghead
The fact that this idea even MADE the news appalls me to no end.
I guess the media is just as sick of this war as the rest of us.
So they have to find new and incitefull ways of
irratating us baby boomers.
Like DUH of course silent, quiet childless neighbors are the best to
have. It does not take a rocket Scientist to figure that obvious fact out.


Dune 67: I am so sorry you had all those bad events in your life
while renting.
DH& I rented for 10 years.
Five years in one place and 5 years at another place.
I can truly say that in those 10 years total. There was no one
around that ever hassled us.
Or made our lives miserable due to their quircks. It just NEVER
happened to us. I guess we live a charmed life, lol

DH wanted a house more then I.
So we saved and saved and we finally got one in 1994
Funny thing about that too is our neighbor issue continued to be
on the lucky side.
Their is a HUGE house next door to us that can hold 8 screaming kids
and nasty neighbors.
BUT it has laid dorment for 13 years.
( long story)
And the neighbor on the other side of us provides us with
entertainment as we never know when the police will show to
arrest them for drunk & Disorderly.
LOL
Not that we ever call the police on them
The neighbor that is on the other side of THEM
takes that matter into her own little hands, lol

Our only dred is...That one day that empty house
will no longer be empty.
And that is when we will pay the price of
13 years of blissfull solitude.
The houses on either side of us (we live in a town house) are both currently empty and up for sale. One has been on the market for well over a year.

I'm hoping and praying we get decent neighbors in those houses. I do NOT want to live next to assholes.

As it is, our idiot neighbors let their spawn play in the parking lot. Brats are always throwing their balls into our yard.

We have PARKS, FFS!

I'm enjoying having empty houses next to me. That is for sure.

Jen M.
Definitely kids and barking dogs are the worst in terms of neighborhood noise-levels... my noisy neighbors not only have obnoxious kids who come up on my porch uninvited, they also have late-night loud parties on their deck...

Bittercat - these kids also throw balls into my yard. I hang on to them. I hate to throw them out but I don't want to give them back, either. I'm really the evil, hated cat-lady. Smile
I haven't gotten that mean yet, but if it keeps up, I'm probably going to start throwing them into the vacant yard next door. LOL!

Jen
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