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Spanking Debate: A Generational Divide
Grandparents, Parents Argue About Whether Spanking Is Harmful for Children

By ANNA WILD
July 6, 2010

Laura and Todd Mansfield of Portland, Oregon, are against spanking, and have made a conscious decision as parents not to use it to discipline their two sons, 6-year-old Connor and 3-year-old Drew.

"I'm like, 'How can I do that to my child?'" Todd Mansfield told "Good Morning America." "It does hurt me more than maybe it hurts them, but beyond that, I just didn't want to do it. I knew there other ways."

The Mansfields, who host a radio program called Parenting Unplugged Radio said that after reading studies that show long-term negative effects of spanking, they started using alternative methods when the kids misbehave.

"I do think that spanking can be used as a form of abuse," Laura Mansfield said. "I do think that it can."

But Laura Mansfield's parents have a different view, and their opposing position came to a head when her parents on two occasions spanked Connor and Drew without their parents' knowledge.

The most recent case was when the boys spent a weekend at their grandparents and Drew was caught pulling up his grandmother's flowers in her garden, and both boys got spanked.

"She grabbed my 6-year-old, who at the time was holding a handful of bulbs, and spanked him," Laura Mansfield said. "She then proceeded to chase my 3-year-old and catch him and spank him as well.

The Mansfields were furious and confronted her parents.

"I think she was exhausted and desperate and didn't know what else to do," Laura Mansfield said.

Laura Mansfield's mother did not want to talk about the incident because she said it was out of character for her.

Laura Mansfield's father, Macy Wall, spanked her and her siblings growing up and said he doesn't see spanking as something detrimental.

"I guess our general tendency amongst my contemporaries would be that it's being blown out of proportion, that what the heck," Wall said. "You know, we all got our fair share of spankings growing up. So what's the big deal? We don't feel traumatized. Our friends don't feel traumatized."

But the Mansfields disagree, and feel that both of them suffered as adults after being spanked as kids.

"It creates a fear aspect in it," Todd Mansfield said. "So then I'm making my decisions based on, 'Am I gonna get spanked?' I'm not trying to grow myself as a person."

And they don't want their sons to feel the same way.

"It's bad to do," Connor said. "And you're just hurting people instead of, like, talking to them about it."

The whole family is now in counseling, and the grandparents have come to understand why the Mansfields were so angry. But they say it can be difficult for grandparents who care for grandchildren.

"I guess that's a little bit of the edge that comes with being a grandparent," Wall said. "You've raised your own children. You think you've done an OK job. Your child may disagree with you at some level. But if you trust a grandparent, then, you know, [is it right] putting limits on what a grandparent can do and not do?"

Ann Pleshette Murphy appeared on "Good Morning America" this morning to give her take on spanking.

She said spanking was never okay, and cited research that showed it increased aggression, bullying and lying, adding that it eroded trust and instilled fear rather than respect.

Murphy acknowledged that it was tough to discipline effectively, but said that parents can remove privileges or TV time or any other activity children enjoy, rather than spanking them.

Many parents and grandparents claim that they never spank in anger, but children experience spanking as a sign of anger, Murphy added.

It's important that parents discuss their disciplining philosophy with other potential caregivers, but they also need to teach their children how to behave when they're in someone else's home, Murphy noted.

If parents are aware that a caregiver -- such as grandma or grandpa -- is annoyed that the children aren't behaving, then parents must either speak with the children or be willing to come and take them home, she added.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/span...d=11091273
(07-06-2010 10:59 AM)CF Scorpio Wrote: [ -> ]It's important that parents discuss their disciplining philosophy with other potential caregivers, but they also need to teach their children how to behave when they're in someone else's home, Murphy noted.

If parents are aware that a caregiver -- such as grandma or grandpa -- is annoyed that the children aren't behaving, then parents must either speak with the children or be willing to come and take them home, she added.

I think these last two sentences are where most parents drop the ball. A lot of children are NOT taught how to behave at someone else's house or even in public. Then when the kids act up, many parents ignore the bad behavior but get upset if anyone else tried to intervene.
(07-06-2010 10:59 AM)CF Scorpio Wrote: [ -> ]Spanking Debate: A Generational Divide
Grandparents, Parents Argue About Whether Spanking Is Harmful for Children

"I guess our general tendency amongst my contemporaries would be that it's being blown out of proportion, that what the heck," Wall said. "You know, we all got our fair share of spankings growing up. So what's the big deal? We don't feel traumatized. Our friends don't feel traumatized."

But the Mansfields disagree, and feel that both of them suffered as adults after being spanked as kids.

"It creates a fear aspect in it," Todd Mansfield said. "So then I'm making my decisions based on, 'Am I gonna get spanked?' I'm not trying to grow myself as a person."


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/span...d=11091273


Ok yeah.. because destroying your grandmother's garden is helping you to 'grow as a person'. I'm pretty sure that they were told to stop and didn't, and so they were spanked. I was spanked, most people I know were spanked, we lived and grew up to be normal adults. I can't say the same for the brats that I taught in school who weren't spanked.

My younger sister spanks, my older sister doesn't. My younger sister's kids are fairly well behaved (for a 3 and 2 year old) but my other sister's kid is the worst brat I have ever encountered.

And the bottom line is this: If you don't like how someone treats your kid when they are doing the favor of watching them for you, watch them your own freaking self!
Good for the grandparents!
I'm way old enough to have gotten spanked, and I think it was an effective deterrent. It's fine not to spank IF you have complete control though other means. But most parents don't. Otherwise we wouldn't have endless conversations about children running wild in various venues and ruining the occasion for others.
When my mother lived with my sister and her kids, my mother would hit my sister's kids. It was because of discipline. I would hear my sister say to my mother, "you are not to discipline my kids!". My poor frail mother at that time had to hit the kids for control.

One time my sister called me to tell me that my mother had a problem with her wrist. And then my sister said that it's probably because of my mother hitting the kids.

I told my sister, "Mom was doing what you're supposed to do."
I'm just very grateful I never have to think about spanking or not spanking. As relating to children, that is. Wink
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