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Put a Mom on the Court
ByPeter Beinart,New America Foundation
April 26, 2010 | The Daily Beast

I hope Barack Obama puts another woman on the Supreme Court. And this time, I hope it’s a woman with kids.

Follow me into the briar patch. Why should we want more women on the court at all? For two reasons. First, because female justices, on average, will be more sensitive to the problems women face. Since they will have likely encountered gender bias themselves, they will be more likely to support government action to remedy it. And that firsthand experience of injustice may also sensitize them to the plight of other groups that have historically experienced discrimination. These are crude generalizations, of course, but they have a basis in fact. Just look at the women in Congress, who are far more likely to be pro-choice—and to lean left more broadly—than are the men.

But there’s a second reason we should want more women on the court. It’s not just that they may alleviate gender injustice through their rulings; they may alleviate it through their example as well. Just as Barack Obama empowers African-American kids to believe that there are no limits to what they can achieve, female Supreme Court justices send the same message to young women. As anyone who has ever watched their daughter eye a Barbie Doll can attest, role models matter.

And that’s why it’s important not just to have lots of women in positions of political power, but to have lots of women with kids. It’s important because otherwise, the message you’re sending young women is that they can achieve professionally, or they can have a family, but they can’t do both. And without quite realizing it, that is the message our government has been sending. According to the Census Bureau, 80 percent of American women over the age of 40 have children. But look at the women who have held Cabinet posts in the last three presidential administrations. Only two of the Clinton administration’s five female Cabinet secretaries had kids. (Attorney General Janet Reno got her job only after two women with children, Zoë Baird and Kimba Wood, were dinged for hiring illegal immigrants as nannies). In the Bush administration, the figure was two of seven. In the Obama administration, so far, it is two of four. And if Obama chooses Elena Kagan for the High Court, the figure there will be one of three.

There’s nothing wrong, of course, with appointing childless women (or men, for that matter) to high office. But our government is actually doing a pretty good job of providing role models for the 20 percent of American women who don’t want kids. Where it’s failing is in providing role models for the 80 percent that do. (The government is also failing to provide many openly lesbian role models, and I’d love to see Obama change that. But sexual orientation and childlessness are separate issues, not least because lots of lesbians have kids.)

Critics might argue that even publicly discussing whether a female Supreme Court contender has kids represents a sexist double standard: another example of the disproportionate personal scrutiny that women in public life must endure. But there’s a reason for that disproportionate scrutiny: Men with children don’t have a role-model problem. After all, every one of the male Supremes has kids. (Antonin Scalia alone has nine.) And even if the media pretends that women with children aren’t underrepresented in high office, it’s a good bet that the young women who look to them for inspiration will catch on. Consider the following two news reports. Soon after John Roberts was confirmed as chief justice, USA Today ran a syrupy feature entitled “Roberts Plays Dual Roles: Chief Justice and Father” filled with sentences like “He takes the children to swimming lessons. He tries to keep 5-year-old Jack from using 6-year-old Josie’s violin as a pretend weapon. At the end of the day, he helps put them to bed.” Message to little Johnnies everywhere: You can have a great job and a great life all at the same time. Compare that to Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell’s comment after Barack Obama nominated Janet Napolitano to head the Homeland Security Department. “Janet’s perfect for that job,” Rendell quipped. “Because for that job, you have to have no life. Janet has no family. Perfect. She can devote, literally, 19 to 20 hours a day to it.” Message to little Janets: Go ahead, shoot for the stars. Just be prepared for a life devoid of anything but work.

Obviously, the problems that women face balancing work and family won’t disappear just because Obama picks someone like Diane Wood (three children and three stepchildren) for the High Court. But choosing Wood would send the message that women can have kids and still reach the apex of their profession. That’s a message that I’d like my working wife—and our 2-year-old daughter—to hear.

http://www.newamerica.net/publications/a...ourt_31033
Or maybe the reason you have such a high proportion of childless women in these very important positions is because they dedicated themselves to their career and are seen as valued candidates for the position.
(04-27-2010 12:26 PM)Eddy Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe the reason you have such a high proportion of childless women in these very important positions is because they dedicated themselves to their career and are seen as valued candidates for the position.
Yes. I think it just shows that for a woman to get to the top of her profession being CF is best. Or if you do have kids, nannies or grandma staying home and a supportive spouse.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg has a daughter. She had to overcome a lot of discrimination to get ahead in law.
Do you have any idea how many women quit work - politics especially - because they realize they cannot play career woman and mommy at the same time?

Just a few years ago a female cabinet member resigned to "spend more time with her family".

I agree with Eddy 100%. You CANNOT be a mother and a court appointee or cabinet minister at the same time without one of those jobs suffering.
NKB and Eddy, sure you can be both, if you are married to a committed homemaker and parent, and you trust them to do those jobs well. Men have been doing it that way forever, and women can do it too, if they insist on it and don't settle. And if the alternative is being single and CF, it's still better than quitting or trying to do it all alone while living with with an absentee spouse and parent.
Call for Obama to Appoint a Mother to the Supreme Court are Offensive
April 27, 2010 06:15 AM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link | Print
By Bonnie Erbe, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

Talk about emphasizing and reinvigorating differences. I give Olympic Gold to one Peter Beinart, who argues on thedailybeast.com that not only should President Obama appoint another woman to the Supreme Court, but he should appoint a woman with children. Beinart argues that too many women without children are appointed to high level government positions, and so Mr. Obama's next Supreme Court appointment should be a mother, not just a woman. He also refers to the 20 percent of Americans over 40 with no children as "childless," as if we are lacking something, instead of as "child free," which is what we are.

Obviously his opinion annoys me. It's also dumb. Why should he separate out child-free women from women with children? There are already enough sore points between the groups when it comes to such things as family leave time. But the fact is, women without children achieve, on average, more in their career lives because they spend more time at work than those with children to raise.

My suggestion is that women who want kids marry men who want them equally. Women should require their spouses to share the child-rearing equally. They should refuse to become the "single mothers with spouses" that most married women with children become.

I had this very discussion last week with a graduate school friend who visited from the other coast. She had an Ivy League degree and a promising career before she had two children. Her husband wanted kids but took little interest in them when they were small. He used his time to build a fabulous career. She flushed her chance at real world success down the drain and became a willing slave to her children. Now that the kids have grown, she wishes she could have had a more rewarding career.

Women will reach parity in the success arena when men do half the child-rearing and not before. That's no reason to penalize child-free women.

Beinart also, by the way, urges President Obama to appoint a mother to the Supreme Court, ignoring the fact two of the three women who have served on the court (Justices O'Connor and Ginsburg) have been mothers. Two out of three is fair representation. There's no discrimination against mothers in those percentages.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2010/04...merit.html
The comments on the blog that NKB just posted are scary. One woman calls not having kids a huge tragedy. OK. We're all just a bunch of giant tragedies walking around, I guess!

What difference does it make if a person on the Supreme Court pushed another resource-sucker out of her vagina? I mean, really. Would anyone care at all if a male nominee had kids? Talk about irrelevant. Since when is reproducing proof of ANYTHING? All it proves is that your ovaries work and you found sperm somewhere. Full stop. It certainly doesn't qualify you for the Supreme Court!
I agree with Bonnie Erbe. I already said before that men should step up in the household, whether it's cleaning or cooking or childcare. Equality will not be a success until it penetrates into our homes.
Until women respect themselves and each other the way men respect themselves and each other, nothing will change, and being a spawner, or not, has little to do with it compared to the respect issue. Men will not respect women until women respect themselves. That's the issue: getting women to realize their own value and then act like it.
(04-28-2010 11:49 AM)noelle Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Bonnie Erbe. I already said before that men should step up in the household, whether it's cleaning or cooking or childcare.

One of the issues is how many women would want or allow a man to be the main childcare provider to their kid(s). A lot of women would have issues with that. Also, it's a lot harder for a man to breastfeed infants. lol.
The comments that followed Bonnie's blog are exactly what is wrong with this whole freaking world....all I could do was shake my head. Someone even commented Bonnie must've had a horrible relationship with her OWN mother because Bonnie is childfree...really? These people are so stupid and ignorant I can't even wrap my head around it.
(04-28-2010 05:29 PM)Dog Holliday Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-28-2010 11:49 AM)noelle Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Bonnie Erbe. I already said before that men should step up in the household, whether it's cleaning or cooking or childcare.

One of the issues is how many women would want or allow a man to be the main childcare provider to their kid(s). A lot of women would have issues with that. Also, it's a lot harder for a man to breastfeed infants. lol.

Allow? It's fathering. There's no "allow" in fathering. You don't have children with a man who doiesn't want to be a father unless you're a complete moron and a total masochist. Feed the kid previously pumped breast mik or formula. It happens every day.

ETA: I of course want to see women on the Court, and I don't care if they are parents, but to choose ONLY parents? No.
Dog Holliday is right. I've heard women complain about how their husbands don't do things to their standards. They complain that they don't change the diapers properly or don't feed them on time or don't know how to fold the laundry, etc...

So yes, some won't won't allow their husbands to do more work - even though they complain that they don't do enough.
(04-29-2010 09:52 AM)NKBurlington Wrote: [ -> ]Dog Holliday is right. I've heard women complain about how their husbands don't do things to their standards. They complain that they don't change the diapers properly or don't feed them on time or don't know how to fold the laundry, etc...

So yes, some won't won't allow their husbands to do more work - even though they complain that they don't do enough.

I'm going to continue to respectfully disagree. That entire concept is sexist and alien to any intelligent woman who wants to be a PNB. She and her husband will attend parenting classes together, or she will not marry or have children with a man who refuses. That way she never has to "decide if he can be allowed" to do his fathering correctly.

Any woman who does not get an ironclad promise from a potential father loses her right to complain when he doesn't do his part. And because this IS a stereotypical trope with a basis in fact (many men do not want to be responsible for their own children) any intelligent women who wish to be PNBs will insist on a guarantee of complete parental participation, and thereby eliminate any useless fools from fatherhood potential.

In other words, you housebreak the dog before giving her/him the freedom of the house, and even then, you turn on the light and look for dog crap before you walk into the room. You don't walk into a dark room with an untrained dog running around, step in shit, and then blame the dog. Like we always say here, PNBing is about planning and anticipation. Any woman who doesn't do that has no recourse but to do all the work and blame herself and shut up about it.
I'm with NKBurlington on this one. I've seen it myself where the woman of the house won't allow the man to help with the housework because it's not done to their specifications. The thing is the specifications are ridiculous. Honestly, do you really need to iron socks or fold underwear?

Women have been brainwashed into believing that housework can only be done by women and that it's a privilege to do so. It's disturbing to watch ads about household cleaning products and seeing the women always having a huge smile as they clean up the house.
Eddy, you see it because brainless bozo women let that sort of thing happen. They can control it. If they choose not to, they lose.

No one can make a woman do anything she doesn't want to do, including single parenthood while married. That's why I say yes, it is a trope, but a preventable one, and one that with intelligence and foresight, can be eliminated. Just like that silly notion we must all sprog.
(04-30-2010 02:28 AM)eslbee Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-29-2010 09:52 AM)NKBurlington Wrote: [ -> ]Dog Holliday is right. I've heard women complain about how their husbands don't do things to their standards. They complain that they don't change the diapers properly or don't feed them on time or don't know how to fold the laundry, etc...

So yes, some won't won't allow their husbands to do more work - even though they complain that they don't do enough.

I'm going to continue to respectfully disagree. That entire concept is sexist and alien to any intelligent woman who wants to be a PNB. She and her husband will attend parenting classes together, or she will not marry or have children with a man who refuses. That way she never has to "decide if he can be allowed" to do his fathering correctly.

Any woman who does not get an ironclad promise from a potential father loses her right to complain when he doesn't do his part. And because this IS a stereotypical trope with a basis in fact (many men do not want to be responsible for their own children) any intelligent women who wish to be PNBs will insist on a guarantee of complete parental participation, and thereby eliminate any useless fools from fatherhood potential.

In other words, you housebreak the dog before giving her/him the freedom of the house, and even then, you turn on the light and look for dog crap before you walk into the room. You don't walk into a dark room with an untrained dog running around, step in shit, and then blame the dog. Like we always say here, PNBing is about planning and anticipation. Any woman who doesn't do that has no recourse but to do all the work and blame herself and shut up about it.

I totally agree with you. Any woman that goes into parenthood without the expressed full time support of their husbands, will get what they deserve and they have no right to complain otherwise. But they do. All the time.

They complain that he doesn't do enough to help out around the house but he does pitch in, he doesn't "do it right" so why should he even bother? She should be grateful he does anything at all.

Having said that, how many times has a man pressured a woman into have a baby knowing full well that he won't be the primary caregiver. He won't have to give up his career and his peaceful nights?
(04-30-2010 09:11 AM)NKBurlington Wrote: [ -> ]I totally agree with you. Any woman that goes into parenthood without the expressed full time support of their husbands, will get what they deserve and they have no right to complain otherwise. But they do. All the time.

They complain that he doesn't do enough to help out around the house but he does pitch in, he doesn't "do it right" so why should he even bother? She should be grateful he does anything at all.

Having said that, how many times has a man pressured a woman into have a baby knowing full well that he won't be the primary caregiver. He won't have to give up his career and his peaceful nights?

And I totally agree with you! I realize that what you say DOES happen, but I maintain only lamebrains ever get into a jam like that. So much of the "trouble" we get into, we cause ourselves by failing to think ahead. And by "we" I actually mean other women, not on this board.

What I don't get is, IF a woman has a brain, why doesn't it kick in and say "Warning! Danger, Will Robinson!" before she permits procreation in her own body? What the hell?
Not sure why, eslbee.
It was Erica Jong who dubbed the phenomenon 'glowcoma' if I recall correctly.
(04-30-2010 05:11 PM)noelle Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why, eslbee.
It was Erica Jong who dubbed the phenomenon 'glowcoma' if I recall correctly.

It sure sounds right.

But if she allows that to influence her to do stupid stuff, she's stuck with the results.
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