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I'm sorry up front for this being so long. I thought I'd do a short and to the point entry, but no such luck!

I came to understand that I hated kids and never wanted to have any when I was about 5 years old. I remember looking at the kids around me in kindergarten one day and actually thinking that they were loud and not terribly bright, and I had zero desire to grow up and be a mommy someday. I always gravitated towards adults, as long as I can remember, even though as a kid I'm sure I bored the hell out of them with my limited conversation skills. I still preferred hanging around them because they were calm and quiet.

I told my mother I wasn't going to have any babies when I grew up, and she was fine with it. She said I'd probably change my mind, but if I didn't it was okay. My grandmother was from the country, so she couldn't imagine what the hell I was talking about. Of *course* I was going to change my mind when I grew up. EVERY woman wants babies! One year she gave me a Betsy-Wetsy doll for my birthday and I was horrified. I must have been around 6 - 8 years old at the time, and the thought that this doll could pee or poop or scream or cry terrified me and I never actually took it out of the box or touched it. I put it in the bottom of my closet and never looked at it again until I threw it away years later. The only doll I liked was Barbie--she had a career, she had a house, she went to the beach all the time, she was a fashionista, and she was TOTALLY childfree in my mind. Having kids wasn't even a consideration for Barbie, so why should it be for me?

I never really heard much criticism for being CF while growing up, and I really think this is because no one actually believed me. My mother would constantly say things like, "When you have your own kids, you'll understand why I'm doing this..." or "I hope you have kids just like you!" Which is weird because not only was I not lying when I said I didn't want any kids, having kids just like me would have been great if I wanted them. I was as straight as an arrow and an honor student, never did one goddamned thing wrong, nothing. If I wanted kids, it would be great if they were like me. But each time I'd have to explain to her that I'm not having kids, like, for real, and she'd always answer, "I don't blame you."

I was 16 years old when I heard my first "selfish" remark. It was from my first boyfriend. We dated from when I was 15-17, and he was 20-22. I told him many times I was never having kids, but I think he never really believed me until the night he told me I was selfish and that's why I didn't want them. Only his dumbass redneck accent had him saying "Yerrrr SAY-uhlll-fessshhh." I was shocked because I'd never heard that before, never could possibly conceive of such a thing. How could not wanting to be a mother make me selfish? I thought selfish meant taking a ton of stuff for yourself and not sharing things with people, like being greedy. I just hate kids, I'm not greedy. I just wanted to live peacefully and quietly and not have to deal with bullshit. His angry opinion about my life choice didn't do anything to change my mind and make me suddenly want kids. I wasn't selfish, he was just a fucking asshole.

Being CF became an issue with only one other boyfriend. I told him from day one I was never having kids. I was in my 20s by then, but he didn't believe me. I found out he didn't believe me when we were breaking up, he started screaming at me: "And how would we raise our children??!!! You'll want them be Jewish and I'll want them to be Christian!!" Really? What part of I'm not having children didn't you hear? (And what part of I'm an atheist and not Jewish at all didn't you hear, either?) He just replied that I couldn't really mean that, *everyone* wants children. When I told him I wasn't lying, he just said, "I'm not leaving this planet without continuing my genes!" That was the first time it clicked for me what the deal was for most people. I honestly didn't know that the real reason most people want kids is for the ego-stroking DNA trophy aspect. The farthest thought from my mind is leaving my worthless DNA behind. Why would I do that? Aren't there enough useless people on this overcrowded and dying planet? I could never, EVER think I was so special, I could never be so selfish and arrogant.

Over the years after that, if I heard anything from anyone, it was "You'll change your mind!" I know one other person who flat out refused to believe me. I'd tell him over and over I'm CF and he'd just say, "Someday you can bring your kids to visit me..." It got to the point that I started to question myself. Could I possibly change my mind and suddenly like children and actually want to have them in my life? I still hated them and I was over 30. I don't feel comfortable near them, talking to them, looking at them, etc. Could I wake up someday and feel the complete opposite? Do I really not know myself like I think I do? I kept meeting women who told me they changed their minds and were soooooo happy they started breeding. Even though they hated kids, they loved their own kids; even though they never wanted to have them, they woke up one day suddenly wanting them. It was kind of scary to think that I didn't have a grip on my mind like I thought I did. I mean, I love sushi and always have. Could I wake up one day and decide I hate sushi and never touch it again? Could my brain really be this unstable?

My first husband didn't care if I wanted kids or not, and we were only married 18 months so it was a non-issue. But when I met my second husband, I told him on our second date that I was never having kids, so if that was important to him, he could move on and find a breeder. He always bought into the LifeScript, so he just assumed he'd have kids. So he asked me if it was possible I might change my mind. At that point I was still under the impression that my mind wasn't my own, and that maybe I would change my mind someday like just everyone on the planet told me I would. So I told him if I woke up suddenly loving and wanting children someday, that I would adopt, because there's no point in making more of these things.

So he kind of held on to that, and I was still waiting for the big bolt of lightning to come and change me into a completely new person, because that's what it would take for me to actually like children. After a couple of years, it became to clear to him that I wasn't going to change my mind, and nothing would make me like kids. But he proposed anyway because he was happy with me and wanted to be with me instead of dumping me and looking for some fictitious woman out there who may want to have his children. When he decided being a father was not necessary for him to be happy, he was ready to marry me. We've been married almost 8 years now and he has no regrets at all, and often expresses how glad he is that we don't have to deal with all the kid horror that his friends, family members and co-workers have to deal with.

I'm 41 and I know my mind, and I'll never, ever turn into to a person who loves kids, or who regrets not being a mother. I have mothering instincts towards animals, not humans, and I have three dogs and a new career working with dogs. I've never regretted not having a screaming lifesucking poop machine in my house making constant demands and hating me when it becomes a teenager. I look at pregnant women and feel physically ill, I look at kids and cringe, I hear kids shrieking and it actually makes me angry. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, too bad most people are too easily influenced by peer pressure to know that.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Anastasia, not only do I think you are fascinating, but I love your total sense of humour and hilarious phrases.

Quote:I honestly didn't know that the real reason most people want kids is for the ego-stroking DNA trophy aspect. The farthest thought from my mind is leaving my worthless DNA behind. Why would I do that? Aren't there enough useless people on this overcrowded and dying planet? I could never, EVER think I was so special, I could never be so selfish and arrogant.

Loved loved loved this. It sums up PERFECTLY how choosing to be CF is decidedly the LEAST selfish thing you can do.

Quote:Even though they hated kids, they loved their own kids; even though they never wanted to have them, they woke up one day suddenly wanting them. It was kind of scary to think that I didn't have a grip on my mind like I thought I did. I mean, I love sushi and always have. Could I wake up one day and decide I hate sushi and never touch it again? Could my brain really be this unstable?

I find this also completely fascinating. I grew up fundie, so I always believed everything was very black and white, including the stability of my brain. But I came to my senses, and changed ALL of my beliefs, so it stands to reason that COULD possibly happen again. It's a statistical probability that I could wake up one day and be completely different from the way I was the day before, but it's MUCH more probable it would be a slow thaw, and a gradual change. Like the people on this board who went off and bred. There are a handful of them... CFJavaJunkie is the one that springs to mind... I remember seeing her blog where she posted pictures of her growing belly and being really freaked out about the total turnaround. I don't judge her so much as I think there are a lot of people out there like her. Luckily, because I'm sterilized, I can change my mind all I like, but I can't have children, so that's the good thing. It's like that movie where the guy kept waking up not remembering anything from the night before and he would tattoo shit on his body to remind himself, because he couldn't believe that he was that person. "The Butterfly Effect" maybe? Is that what it was called?

Anyhow, yeah. I don't so much worry about waking up one day and being completely different, because it's happened before and it was a change for the better, so I can only assume it would be a change for the better the next time too. Hope springs eternal. LOL
You know, I love all these CF stories, but this is a very resonant one for me. I always knew I wouldn't want children, and as I became a young woman and an adult, I realized this was a way to keep men away from me. I didn't know yet I was a lesbian, but I knew I was a feminist and didn't want kids. So I used those things to filter out undesireable men, and never even got close to marrying one of them. Usually around date two or three, they learned there would be no name-changing and no spawning. Usually didn't get as far as date four.
I have a thing for animals too! People see the World Vision commercials with kids and feel so terrible, but I see the Humane Society ones with abused animals.
(01-24-2010 03:05 AM)eslbee Wrote: [ -> ]I always knew I wouldn't want children, and as I became a young woman and an adult, I realized this was a way to keep men away from me. I didn't know yet I was a lesbian, but I knew I was a feminist and didn't want kids. So I used those things to filter out undesireable men, and never even got close to marrying one of them. Usually around date two or three, they learned there would be no name-changing and no spawning. Usually didn't get as far as date four.

And interestingly, I'm not a lesbian, but I still used the same things to try to filter out undesirable men. I'm a great big CF feminist and always have been--I remember when "Thirty Something" was on TV when I was in college, and I was shocked, SHOCKED that the wives were these stay-at-home breeders. I honestly thought that women in America had really evolved past that by then. My eyes were opened dramatically when I found out they hadn't. There was also no way in hell I was going to change my last name to man's, nor was I going to be his mommy nor his cook nor his maid. All these things kept me single and sex-free for years and years at a time. There were men in my life here and there, and if things progressed to a point where our roles in the relationship were drawn, they'd leave because I wasn't the subjugated wifey breeder they fantasized about after all. I also don't wear makeup or high heels, nor do I show off my cleavage or much skin at all for that matter. Men couldn't run fast enough.

Looking back, I can only wonder why my first husband wanted to marry me, as his taste in women runs into slutty territory. He was forever pointing out women walking the streets of the French Quarter wearing micro-mini skirts, extreme high heels that strippers wear, made up like clowns with tons of makeup troweled on, and he'd say, "Ooooh....a Spice Girl. Why can't you look like that?" Knowing him, I guess he thought I'd change eventually with his guidance. I also honestly think he was okay with me not breeding because he wanted to be the childlike center of attention with me firmly in the mommy/whore role. It only took a few months for him to figure out that wasn't going to happen, and that was that.

I guess I'm lucky I found my second husband, if our marriage ever went south I'd pretty much be single for the rest of my life!
I just love you guys. Seriously. You both summed it up.
(01-24-2010 01:11 AM)Jo Wrote: [ -> ]I grew up fundie, so I always believed everything was very black and white, including the stability of my brain. But I came to my senses, and changed ALL of my beliefs, so it stands to reason that COULD possibly happen again. It's a statistical probability that I could wake up one day and be completely different from the way I was the day before, but it's MUCH more probable it would be a slow thaw, and a gradual change.

Anyhow, yeah. I don't so much worry about waking up one day and being completely different, because it's happened before and it was a change for the better, so I can only assume it would be a change for the better the next time too. Hope springs eternal. LOL

I've been thinking about this for a few days. I guess perhaps I am very black and white when it comes to my own thinking or opinions or preferences. Other than small changes in preferences over the years, I haven't actually changed much at all since I was a kid. For example, I used to like very modern styles in architecture, clothing, and design. Now I prefer older styles, like Victorian and Edwardian styles, but that kind of change doesn't bother me, it's not really important. But the thought of unwillingly changing into a person who is desperate to have a baby and even--oh dear gods--wanting to breastfeed, as though I were some kind of cow, terrifies me. That would mean I don't know myself, that I have no real sense of "knowing" or having control over my life. It's one thing to suddenly realize one day you really do like coconut when you thought you didn't, but the breeding thing is so major--it would be like if I woke up having turned into a right wing Republican. It's just not ME. I'd be gone and replaced with someone else, and that's scary.
Quote:One year she gave me a Betsy-Wetsy doll for my birthday and I was horrified. I must have been around 6 - 8 years old at the time, and the thought that this doll could pee or poop or scream or cry terrified me and I never actually took it out of the box or touched it. I put it in the bottom of my closet and never looked at it again until I threw it away years later.

I bet that may have been your only regret considering a doll like that in its original package today would be worth a small fortune to a collector.

But I know what you mean about being beyond your years at age 5 and hanging out with older people.
I never got along with kids my own age either. Hug
Jo, the movie you're thinking of is "Memento."

I agree. Anastasia, you ARE interesting. I love the way you write.

What makes me sad is to think that anyone ever questions him/herself. I've always been very self-aware, and I guess I feel very fortunate that nothing has ever made me question myself. Even when I was in the minority on an issue (I am on a lot of issues, I find,) even when people were trying to make me feel bad. I've just always been very connected to my inner core, and I've always known what was right for me, whether other people liked it or not. It's a very lonely path sometimes, but I can go to sleep at night knowing I still have my integrity.

What I really mean to say is that I hate that our society does this to people.

Jen M.

(01-24-2010 01:11 AM)Jo Wrote: [ -> ]I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Anastasia, not only do I think you are fascinating, but I love your total sense of humour and hilarious phrases.

Quote:I honestly didn't know that the real reason most people want kids is for the ego-stroking DNA trophy aspect. The farthest thought from my mind is leaving my worthless DNA behind. Why would I do that? Aren't there enough useless people on this overcrowded and dying planet? I could never, EVER think I was so special, I could never be so selfish and arrogant.

Loved loved loved this. It sums up PERFECTLY how choosing to be CF is decidedly the LEAST selfish thing you can do.

Quote:Even though they hated kids, they loved their own kids; even though they never wanted to have them, they woke up one day suddenly wanting them. It was kind of scary to think that I didn't have a grip on my mind like I thought I did. I mean, I love sushi and always have. Could I wake up one day and decide I hate sushi and never touch it again? Could my brain really be this unstable?

I find this also completely fascinating. I grew up fundie, so I always believed everything was very black and white, including the stability of my brain. But I came to my senses, and changed ALL of my beliefs, so it stands to reason that COULD possibly happen again. It's a statistical probability that I could wake up one day and be completely different from the way I was the day before, but it's MUCH more probable it would be a slow thaw, and a gradual change. Like the people on this board who went off and bred. There are a handful of them... CFJavaJunkie is the one that springs to mind... I remember seeing her blog where she posted pictures of her growing belly and being really freaked out about the total turnaround. I don't judge her so much as I think there are a lot of people out there like her. Luckily, because I'm sterilized, I can change my mind all I like, but I can't have children, so that's the good thing. It's like that movie where the guy kept waking up not remembering anything from the night before and he would tattoo shit on his body to remind himself, because he couldn't believe that he was that person. "The Butterfly Effect" maybe? Is that what it was called?

Anyhow, yeah. I don't so much worry about waking up one day and being completely different, because it's happened before and it was a change for the better, so I can only assume it would be a change for the better the next time too. Hope springs eternal. LOL
This made me laugh with joy. I loved the part about your second bf getting angry at you for his dream.
You're right, there are people who have children who should have NEVER had the 1st one. Why is it strange when a responsible adult mentions that they do not want any to begin with??
(02-24-2010 08:41 PM)TinySpouse Wrote: [ -> ]This made me laugh with joy. I loved the part about your second bf getting angry at you for his dream.

You mean the boyfriend who wanted to raise a bunch of Christian DNA trophies so he could leave his mark on the world? I found him just recently on Facebook, and no, I was just snooping, there's no way I'd be his friend. Anyway, and this filled me with glee, he's put on, quite literally, about 80 lbs., which is really significant on his frame, and is still unmarried and totally childless. I know he's only in his early 40s and with men there's always opportunity for breeding and marrying, but it made me feel good anyway. He's also still in redneckville, tennessee and he hated it there as much as I did, but I left and he's still sitting there, not doing much but eating apparently. He was quite slender when I knew him, somewhat cute, had a job, all his teeth, and put together a sentence very well. That's all it takes for women to hurl themselves at a man in those little redneck towns, there are so few men with such qualities there. I know his weight can't be holding them back, women desperate for babies don't care about stuff like that, so I'm kind of stunned he isn't at least on his second wife and 6th kid by now. Hardee har har.
Yep!
He's pining(?) away for you still. lol
Nah, not this guy, he's a big right wingnut and has a childlike idea of god and religion. He has no interest in a left wing atheist feminist who can think independently and critically. He's pining for…who knows. He's just a plain guy from redneckland who is stuck in the same routine that lots of my friends never made it out of, I'm just happy I got the hell out of there.
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