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Read the comments-some realistic, but many are the typical breeder- bingos, too. ("I hope you NEVER have children" whining....)
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Screaming kids and airplanes: Mayday! Mayday!

Screaming kids and airplanes: Mayday! Mayday!

Parents don't have a right to get on a jet with unruly children. In fact, they're stealing from the rest of us.


By Amy Alkon

November 24, 2009

Alittle late in making those Thanksgiving flight plans? Wondering how you could possibly afford your ticket -- that is, without putting a kidney up for sale on Craigslist? Good news! You can get a free flight home on Southwest plus a $300 travel voucher. Just do what I plan to -- get on a Southwest flight in the next few days, and when it's taking off, shout over and over, "Go, plane, go!" and "I want Daddy! I want Daddy!"

Pamela Root got the free flight and the voucher, plus an apology from Southwest, after her 2-year-old kept screaming those things at the top of his little lungs as their San Jose-bound flight was about to take off. In fact, little Adam reportedly screamed so loudly that the safety announcements couldn't be heard and the pilot turned the plane back to the gate in Amarillo, Texas, where the two were booted off.

Root was appalled when a flight attendant told her something to the effect of "We just can't tolerate that [screaming] for two hours," reported the San Jose Mercury News. Root insisted Adam would be "fine once we take off" -- which, in my book, means either "He'll be fine" or "It would be a serious pain in the butt to be stuck in Amarillo another day."

Unbelievably, Root demanded the apology she eventually got from the airline (shame, shame, Southwest) and hit it up for the cost of diapers and the portable crib she says she had to buy for the overnight stay. Even more unbelievably, there's still no word of any apology from Root to the other passengers.

There is a notion, reflected in numerous blog comments about the incident, that other passengers should "just deal" and "give a kid a break." This notion is wrong. Parents like Root and others who selfishly force the rest of us to pay the cost of their choices in life aren't just bothering us; they're stealing from us. Most people don't see it this way, because what they're stealing isn't a thing we can grab on to, like a wallet. They're stealing our attention, our time and our peace of mind.

More and more, we're all victims of these many small muggings every day. Our perp doesn't wear a ski mask or carry a gun; he wears Dockers and shouts into his iPhone in the line behind us at Starbucks, streaming his dull life into our brains, never considering for a moment whether our attention belongs to him. These little acts of social thuggery are inconsequential in and of themselves, but they add up -- wearing away at our patience and good nature and making our daily lives feel like one big wrestling smackdown.

Southwest sent the right message in yanking Root and her screaming boy off the plane. Unfortunately, it lacked the corporate courage to stand its ground, probably fearing a public relations nightmare from the Mommy Mafia. Yet, almost every day, I encounter parents who need to get the same message Root initially did. Trust me -- should I long to hear screaming children, I'll zip right past my favorite coffeehouse and go read my morning paper at Chuck E. Cheese.

I know, I know -- because I am not a parent I cannot possibly understand how hard it is to keep a child from acting out. Actually, that probably has more to do with the way I was raised -- by parents I describe as loving fascists. As a child, I was convinced that I could flap my arms and fly, but the idea that I could ever be loud in a public place that wasn't a playground simply did not exist for me.

I hear claims that some children are prone to tantrums no matter how exquisitely they are parented. If this describes your child, there's a solution, and it isn't plopping him in a crowded metal tube with hundreds of people who can't escape his screams except by throwing themselves to their deaths at 30,000 feet.

Granted, there sometimes are extenuating circumstances, reasons parents and their little hell-raiser simply must take a plane. Well, actually, there are two: dire family emergency (Granny's actually dying, not just dying to see the little tyke) and the need for a lifesaving operation for the wee screamer. In all other cases, if there's any chance a child is still in the feral stage, pop Granny on a flight or gas up the old minivan. It really does come down to this: Your right to bring your screaming child on a plane ends where the rest of our ears begin.

Amy Alkon's book "I See Rude People: One Woman's Battle to Beat Some Manners into Impolite Society" will be published this week.
Must read this book!!! Best piece ever posted here! I love Amy Alkon. Thank you for posting this!
I like this woman already. Why is it that the rest of us have to tolerate rudeness instead of demanding civility?
(11-24-2009 08:02 PM)beachbum Wrote: [ -> ]There is a notion, reflected in numerous blog comments about the incident, that other passengers should "just deal" and "give a kid a break." This notion is wrong. Parents like Root and others who selfishly force the rest of us to pay the cost of their choices in life aren't just bothering us; they're stealing from us. Most people don't see it this way, because what they're stealing isn't a thing we can grab on to, like a wallet. They're stealing our attention, our time and our peace of mind.

More and more, we're all victims of these many small muggings every day. Our perp doesn't wear a ski mask or carry a gun; he wears Dockers and shouts into his iPhone in the line behind us at Starbucks, streaming his dull life into our brains, never considering for a moment whether our attention belongs to him. These little acts of social thuggery are inconsequential in and of themselves, but they add up -- wearing away at our patience and good nature and making our daily lives feel like one big wrestling smackdown.

I agreed with the whole story. I just quoted the two paragraphs out of the story because it changed the subject a bit (about the screeming kid on the plane), and it was something that I agreed with a passion.

The thing that is irksome with me the most is what goes on in the jacuzzi at where I live. Lately, if there's anybody there, it's either high-school aged or college-aged kids. They are just so rude that it's a turn off for me. They have to bring their cell phones and/or twitters with them. They can't get off of those damn things! For God's sakes why can't they just talk on the phone at home or do it while walking? They look annoyed at me for listening in on their conversations. Well, do I want to hear their conversations?

I think that there should be rules about having cell phones in the jacuzzi area. It's just not being considerate to other people. On top of that, the phone could slip into the jacuzzi and electricute those that are in there. The jacuzzi is a place for relaxing, not partying!
Being the scientific type I am, there is no fear of electrocution from a battery operated device falling into the water. The amount of electricity generated is so small you wouldn't even notice. Rubbing your sock clad feet across the carpet and touching a doorknob is many times more powerful. The device would merely short itself out.

As for the issue of talking on a phone or twittering or whatever, it's incredibly rude I think. In another thread about kids not being able to eat a meal without their cells, I mentioned that it's sad that people can't interact with each other instead of playing on their phones.
Utterly excellent article. I agree the airline should not have caved, but I understand why they did (mommy mafia) is a perfect term. But what bugs me is somehow we're always in the wrong if we want peace and quiet, just because breeders can only dream of it.
It's possible that breeders no longer remember what quiet is, and never get to recharge their batteries, and have no idea why they are so worn out all the time from constant noise and interaction.
To me, the idea of never being able to have quiet is my idea of hell. I need my quiet time otherwise I get really cranky and snap at people. Even just an hour of sitting at my computer quietly typing or reading a book helps soothe me. The notion of having a kid running in screaming at any time they want frightens me. Even a pet wanting attention would bother me and I like animals. I need my alone time.
(11-28-2009 10:01 AM)Eddy Wrote: [ -> ]To me, the idea of never being able to have quiet is my idea of hell. I need my quiet time otherwise I get really cranky and snap at people. Even just an hour of sitting at my computer quietly typing or reading a book helps soothe me. The notion of having a kid running in screaming at any time they want frightens me. Even a pet wanting attention would bother me and I like animals. I need my alone time.

The constant noise and interruptions are a huge part of why I decided to be CF. I much prefer my peace and quiet, and am not "high energy" enough to interact with kids, even for short periods of time.
Koi, ANY reason is good enough to be CF. But I agree that I never wanted to spend time, money and energy on them. All I had to think of was never being able to sleep in again. The noise, dirt, chaos and loss of control are just too daunting.
LOL, so true, Eslbee. So many good reasons to be CF. Gotta love it!
I have this theory that breeders "pretend" that "child free" is a pejorative because they were too stupid to think of it themselves, and now they're stuck.
Have to agree with that theory. Kinda always had that feeling that they were jealous because they never realized that breeding is purely optional-especially when I tell them I just don't want kids and they have this completely bewildered look on their faces. Which is always kind of amusing to me. No one HAS to have kids-in this life you're only recquired to be born and die, nothing more nothing less.
I definitely agree with that theory. What I've found is that breeders tend to be people who don't really think. They just go with the flow and society encourages this because it essentially traps you and renders you unable to do anything about the messed up society we have.

You go to school until about 18 or so where you are indoctrinated to believe a bunch of crap that isn't true. "If you work hard you can succeed" is a big lie they teach you. This is done so you won't question authority or sit down and ask why exactly a CEO is worth millions a year. Instead you just accept it.

Then most people today go to college because it's supposed to get you a better job with better meaning more pay. Again, it's a lie. You get out of school with thousands of dollars worth of debt and maybe you can get a good job but most likely you'll be flipping burgers for a couple years. This puts you in financial bondage. You literally cannot ever discharge student loans except through death. This means you are beholden to your corporate overlords.

Then you get married and of course have kids. Now you are not only in financial bondage but you are too tired to even think of the outside world. It's not a coincidence that when it comes to political rallying the two major groups are senior citizens who are retired and students who have few obligations while families are the least involved. Again, this is a way to control people.

Then you have the "consumer" society that pretty much tells you that your worth as a human being is determined solely by what you own. Again, more financial bondage. I make this point because it keeps people trapped in jobs that are soul draining because they have to have all that shiny new crap. One thing I like about my minimalist lifestyle is that I'll never have golden handcuffs keeping me in a job I hate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono

Loosely translates as "who benefits". Who benefits from having the masses of people economically and spiritually drained?
(11-30-2009 01:32 AM)Eddy Wrote: [ -> ]You literally cannot ever discharge student loans except through death. This means you are beholden to your corporate overlords.

I was feeling particularly cynical, and felt the urge to point out that they were trying to change the laws so that your guarantor (usually a close family member) would have to still pay your student loans-even if you died. I don't believe they succeeded, but basically for me that would mean not only am I worth more dead than alive, they own me for the rest of my life AND beyond the grave.
That is seriously messed up.
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