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Because pink dresses are the most important reason to have a girl:

It's a boy? Some moms struggle with disappointment
ANGIE WAGNER
For The Associated Press
Tue, Nov. 10, 2009

LAS VEGAS (AP) — My good friend just found out she is pregnant with a boy. It is her first child, and instead of celebrating the good news, she cried during her ultrasound.

That's because she really wanted a girl.

Good mothers are supposed to say they are happy with a boy or a girl, as long as the baby is healthy. But gender disappointment is a very real and heartbreaking issue that affects many pregnant women.

Christine Lich of Lindenhurst, Ill., always assumed she would have a girl. Instead, she got three boys. She wanted to appear to be the perfect mother, so she never let anyone except her husband know her disappointment.

"And they tell you it's a boy, it's like, ahhhh. For that short moment, you're kind of bummed in the back of your mind. There's not going to be any pink dresses. There's not going to be any scrapbooking. That's not going to happen," she said.

Lich gets tired of people making comments such as: "Are you going to try for the girl?" or "You need to have the girl."

Even now, four years after her third child, she can't bring herself to buy clothes for a little girl's birthday because she just can't look at the outfits.

Joyce Venis, a psychiatric nurse in Princeton, N.J., who works with women suffering from gender disappointment, said it is not really discussed because other people would perceive the disappointment as being ungrateful. Venis said the problem mainly involves women who wanted a daughter.

Just because a woman has a gender preference does not mean she is a bad mother or that she doesn't want the child, Venis said.

"They have the right to want the certain sex," she said.

Venis suggests women find out during the pregnancy what sex the baby is so they can deal with any disappointment before the birth. She said women should find someone to talk with, and if the woman is depressed, she should talk to a therapist.

Katherine Asbery was so depressed that her third child was a boy, she wouldn't even say the sex. She called him "not a girl," and spent hours crying.

She and her husband had even tried different techniques that promised to yield a girl.

"That dream of what you wanted is gone, and you have to learn to live with that," she said.

Asbery, who has a masters degree in clinical psychology, started sharing her story on mommy message boards, and later decided to write a book called "Altered Dreams: Living with Gender Disappointment."

She turned to her faith and drew strength from talking to others who felt the same way. She said it's important for people to understand that mothers suffering from gender disappointment want their children and are not bad moms. It's just the plan they had for their family has changed.

Her third son is 3 years old now, and Asbery admits she still has some pangs of sadness. She sometimes looks at her son and wonders, just for a moment, what he would look like as a girl. She and her husband are not going to have more children. Their family is complete, she said, and she doesn't feel like someone is missing anymore.

What she most wants mothers to know is this:

"It's normal. And they shouldn't feel like a freak," she said. "It is a normal process of when a dream has changed. You just have to relearn a different dream."

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Pathetic. If they wanted a baby girl so badly, they could just adopt a girl from China. But that's probably too deep for those who can't get past the fact that they can't buy baby dresses for their sprog.
I totally agree with the idea of adoption from China. Girls are considered useless there because of the decades long policy of one child only and it's really sad.
If only there was a way to obtain a child and be certain of its gender...
Here's a thought: don't continue to enculturate children with gendered behaviors. Treat your child as a child, as a human, and teach it anything you would like it to be able to enjoy and share with you. Don't tolerate or use gendered remarks in the presence of your child. Tell the child that it is a valuable person for its individuality. Encourage them to learn and grow in any positive way they choose.

Is that so hard?
Yes. It's why girls play house and boys play army.
(11-21-2009 01:54 AM)Eddy Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. It's why girls play house and boys play army.

But we know that isn't always true. Someone is doing something right, which I know because I see young women skateboarding around the campus, and playing basketball in the driveways on my street. Or how about the young woman from Kenya who's studying for her PhD in electrical engineering, who was at my house tonight for an international dinner? I mean, if SHE, of all people, has broken a stereotype, why can't others get on the damned bandwagon?

So how do we transmit that to the ignorant masses?
Wow.
So basically this woman didn't want to raise a child. She just wanted a "baby doll" to dress up.

And they call us selfish
Gender disappointment? Really? I've never heard of such a thing. I agree with the adoption option but if she is so selfish as to be disappointed with the gender of the baby, she sure as hell isn't going to adopt. She wants her own DNA trophy.

PrairieGirl

I wouldn't worry. The good news is that later they will toe the party line -- "Oh, I don't care, so long as he's healthy!" and "I'm so glad I have a SONNNNNNNN to look after me in my old age".
(11-21-2009 12:45 AM)eslbee Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a thought: don't continue to enculturate children with gendered behaviors. Treat your child as a child, as a human, and teach it anything you would like it to be able to enjoy and share with you. Don't tolerate or use gendered remarks in the presence of your child. Tell the child that it is a valuable person for its individuality. Encourage them to learn and grow in any positive way they choose.

Is that so hard?

ITA. There is no guarantee that a girl will want to wear pink dresses, or that a boy won't.
I have a client whose teenage daughter got knocked up and was then disappointed about it being a boy. And now that he is X months old, she still goes on and on about wanting a girl. Yeah, that is what you need you uneducated skank. Another mouth to feed. Never mind that now you don't want to work at all and live in the spare bedroom of your mom's apartment with your sister and her ill-thought out bundle of joy too. Where TF is that rolling eye smilie?

PrairieGirl

(11-23-2009 04:53 PM)CF Scorpio Wrote: [ -> ]ITA. There is no guarantee that a girl will want to wear pink dresses, or that a boy won't.


Yep! Plus, women have, ever since the advent of clothing, figured out way to enjoy having a girl when they have a son -- you just dress him up in girl clothes until he's old enough to remember (then you quit). About that quitting part -- my uncle's mother dressed him up as a girl whenever she wanted a girl, except she did it until he was about 6 or 7. Some people ARE a tad messed up (his mother, not my uncle -- he knows who and what he is!), but it's not like it hasn't been done before.
(11-21-2009 12:45 AM)eslbee Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a thought: don't continue to enculturate children with gendered behaviors. Treat your child as a child, as a human, and teach it anything you would like it to be able to enjoy and share with you. Don't tolerate or use gendered remarks in the presence of your child. Tell the child that it is a valuable person for its individuality. Encourage them to learn and grow in any positive way they choose.

Is that so hard?

ITA as well.

I had a professor in college who raised her child in a gender neutral environment. She and her husband worked at it VERY hard. They had a rotating schedule of who took care of the kid posted on the fridge so the kid wouldn't think that only mommy does all the parenting. She also drove her son by a construction site in town where a woman worked daily and pointed out the woman like it was normal for women to be there. She also changed many male characters names in childrens' books to female.

Did you know that something like 85% of characters in childrens' books are male? And of the ones that take "action" and play a leading role it's over 90%? Pretty hideous.

Anyway, this woman's child (a boy) wore a barrette in his hair to kindergarten and was teased by the other kids - they called him a girl. So - get this - he pulled down his pants in the playground and said, "NO - I'm a boy - I have a PENIS, see?" HA! She taught him that the only difference between men and women is a penis/vagina!
I never thought of it before but it's true. There are many female characters in fairy tales but they always are very passive. It's always the males who take the lead and are the action figures. I realize many of them were written centuries ago but even now you still don't see powerful female figures.

I guess the modern equivalent is the cartoon and even there it's hard to find a female lead. Kim Possible is one, but there aren't many where a female is a strong lead and not just the heroine in distress. I bring up Kim Possible because her sidekick Ron is often the one who needs rescuing. I'd also point out that Rufus (a naked mole rat) is the best character of all.
Even the _Narnia_ series had to be updated for the movie, giving the girls weapons and action. C. S. Lewis was really very backward, not surprising with all the religious allegory.
Gender roles are also seen in pictures and ads as well, but more subtly. Look at an ad with a male and female model (their ages don't matter) and most likely the male is in a prominent, powerful position, usually the center of the picture, while the female is in a passive posture, usually looking up at the male in a lower part of the picture.
Look at car ads. The male almost always drives, unless it's a moo (no dud) with a load of sprog.
These are excellent points. I recently watched Demolition Man with the very adorable Sandra Bullock and it occurred to me that you almost never see a woman drive a car if there is a male around and this movie was an exception. With car ads though it's always the guys driving except as noted, minivans filled with kids.

Advertising is a very disturbing form of propaganda.
(11-19-2009 10:57 PM)CF Scorpio Wrote: [ -> ]What she most wants mothers to know is this:

"It's normal. And they shouldn't feel like a freak," she said. "It is a normal process of when a dream has changed. You just have to relearn a different dream."

Commenting goodness here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/phillywomen...ment_.html

Okay, so, let me get this straight. I'M SELFISH for NOT wanting kids at all because I don't want to put up with these types of problems but it's NORMAL for mothers to not love their sons as much as they would if they had had a daughter?

Someone tell me I'm crazy because that sure sounds it.
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