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The worthiest enterprise
Lorne Gunter, National Post
G eorge Orwell once wrote that the pacifist was free to indulge his opposition to war only because someone else was prepared to take up arms to defend his rights.

Similarly, the advocate of childlessness relies on the willingness of others to produce children, not just to keep the species going, but also to produce the taxpayers the childless will need to fund his old-age health and pension benefits.

Those who could have children, but choose not to, are, of course, indulging in the ultimate self-centeredness. Were everyone to copy their preference, within a generation there would be no more human race.

By their action -- or more accurately, their inaction -- they are saying to the rest of society, "Alright, you unimaginative proles. You take care of the mundane business of keeping the species going -- you do the heavy lifting -- while we go about endlessly spoiling ourselves and indulging our personal interests. Just be sure you produce enough spawn to keep our retirement benefits coming when we turn old."

There is no doubt that childbearing turns some parents into insufferable bores. As French author Corinne Maier -- whose book No Kids: 40 Good Reasons Not To Have Children is the impetus for this commentary series -- wrote, parents who feel they must share the visual record of their child's birth with dinner party guests or let their toddlers record the message on the family answering machine or enter into detailed

descriptions of junior's potty training are guilty of self-indulgence, too.

I call this subset of new parents, the Baby On Board Crowd (BOBC) for their tendency to believe everyone will be as interested as they are in the minutiae of baby's day-by-day development. They affix those annoying stickers to the rear windows announcing to the world that their vehicle has a baby inside, as if that is somehow going to make other drivers more cautious around their crossover or van.

The real purpose of these stickers is to trumpet to the world, "Look at us, we have a baby!," because they are completely ineffective at shielding junior against the drunk driver or speeder.

This puts the BOBC only slightly above the Children Make the Best Accessories Cluster (CMBAC)-- those parents, usually upper-middle class, who have had children largely for the way they and their offspring look so darling together in matching yoga outfits.

While also somewhat selfish, at least both the BOBC and CMBAC are being gushingly

unendurable on behalf of another, tiny someone else. Their sacrifice may not be entirely martyrish, but at least they are caring for something greater than the self.

Moreover, to the rest of the world, the wilfully childless are every bit as tedious, with tales of their latest trek, wine-tasting, retreat weekend, home restyling, spa treatment or ocean kayaking encounter with orcas. And, of course, their tiresome tales have the double burden of being all about me, me, me.

I confess, I cannot fully comprehend why anyone would deny themselves the absolute joy of having children. Of the many hats I wear, the two I would give up last are husband and father.

Can children be trying, annoying, temperamental, heart-breaking and difficult? Of course. Caring for them and raising them is often hard, exhausting, emotional work. They change your life in ways you cannot conceive until you have them. But being parents is the most worthwhile enterprise my wife and I have ever entered into.

I never knew the full, rich dimensions of love until I held our infants in my arms, saw the wonder on their faces when they took their first steps, had my first adult discussions with them and saw deep understanding of their world emerge.

Now nothing -- nothing -- brings me greater joy than the small, smiling nod and quiet "Mmm" on our daughter's lips when I've made a meal she likes, or the way our son can truly crack me up with jokes and gags he makes up.

I look forward to big family holiday gatherings, vacations together, graduations, first dates, concerts and shared everyday triumphs and failures until I am gone from this world.

If there are 40 reasons not to have children, there are 4,000 better ones why we should.
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/colu...d708dd&p=1
Trotting out the usual platitudes. Oh we are so tiresome, recounting tales of exotic vacations and remodeling jobs.
Quote: Similarly, the advocate of childlessness relies on the willingness of others to produce children, not just to keep the species going, but also to produce the taxpayers the childless will need to fund his old-age health and pension benefits.

I am so sick of this lame argument. For one thing, it assumes that every single child will grow up to be a taxpayer. Not true! Some will have no income at all and will go on welfare. And some will die before they reach adulthood.

For another thing, if he is going to trot out the old argument that his kids are paying for our social security, then he needs to consider that we are paying for his brats to go to school. And again, he is making the assumption that all of us CF will live long enough to collect social security, which may not be the case.
CF Scorpio Wrote:For another thing, if he is going to trot out the old argument that his kids are paying for our social security, then he needs to consider that we are paying for his brats to go to school.
This is the part they always seem to forget and I am constantly reminding parents of this but they return by saying my portion of taxes does NOT compare to their overall expenditures.

Boo - Fucking -Hoo.
I always love articles like this. Every child will cure cancer. It's the CF who are worthless.
The CF are selfcentered? Please. What could be more self-centered than needing a DNA replica? A little mini-me to worship you? People with kids are the MOST selfish.
Quote:Those who could have children, but choose not to, are, of course, indulging in the ultimate self-centeredness. Were everyone to copy their preference, within a generation there would be no more human race.

This is another tired old argument that really rubs me the wrong way. It's highly unlikely EVERYONE will simply stop have kids and the human race will die out. However there is plenty of credible, scientific evidence that within the next generation there will not be enough food to feed everyone and not enough drinking water! We're reaching the point where we have too many people for this planet to support.

PrairieGirl

Yawnnnn...... tired of the same old arguments....
The proof that you are not selfish is not in HAVING babies, it is in adopting children no one else wants. So put your money where your mouth is, breeders. We are all 99.9% ALIKE in our DNA. No one needs a mini-me unless they are neurotically insecure.
(08-29-2009 04:15 PM)CF Scorpio Wrote: [ -> ][quote] For another thing, if he is going to trot out the old argument that his kids are paying for our social security, then he needs to consider that we are paying for his brats to go to school. And again, he is making the assumption that all of us CF will live long enough to collect social security, which may not be the case.

This, exactly!!! We CF people get to pay thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars a year in property taxes for schools we won't use, we help fund the child tax credits and social services that we're ineligible for because we have no kids, and oftentimes, the mother will stop working once she spawns, so she's not paying any taxes, either. Breeders get far more freebies from us than we'll ever get from them!
(08-29-2009 04:57 AM)Idiot in Artice Wrote: [ -> ]Moreover, to the rest of the world, the wilfully childless are every bit as tedious, with tales of their latest trek, wine-tasting, retreat weekend, home restyling, spa treatment or ocean kayaking encounter with orcas. And, of course, their tiresome tales have the double burden of being all about me, me, me.

WTF?
Number 1: Not all CF are loaded w/ $$ belonging to every social circle and traveling the world, frequenting spas, drinking wine... (I love how it is always wine and not Malt Liquor or something Wink )

Number 2: I would much rather listen to someone who actually DOES activities than listening to the droning of the recent Mom meet-up at Starbucks, or the bragging of baby's first bite of "real" food, etc.....

(08-29-2009 04:57 AM)Article Wrote: [ -> ]I confess, I cannot fully comprehend why anyone would deny themselves the absolute joy of having children.

You can't comprehend it because there is no going back once the baby arrives and I believe that the vast majority of Parents would never, ever admit that it isn't cracked-up to be what they thought it would be. Baby arrives-that's it. Your life has changed, permanently.


What also gets me is that everyone believes that their child will grow up to be the hero. Ha! Not all 'innocent babies' grow up to be positive influences in society. Like CFS stated, our taxes go towards a lot of things that we will never use.
Look at the prison population! Our taxes pay for that. Those who are incarcerated were once 'innocent babies' and now they are useless in society. The CF that are working are paying for that.

(To add: $106 million spent on fighting fires in CA! A fire they believe was started by a human. Aaaah, let us thank THAT mom for having THAT baby. Hundreds of thousands of acres burned, 2 deaths, innocent animals killed/displaced, structures destroyed....)
(08-29-2009 05:45 PM)NKBurlington Wrote: [ -> ]
CF Scorpio Wrote:For another thing, if he is going to trot out the old argument that his kids are paying for our social security, then he needs to consider that we are paying for his brats to go to school.
This is the part they always seem to forget and I am constantly reminding parents of this but they return by saying my portion of taxes does NOT compare to their overall expenditures.

Boo - Fucking -Hoo.

Yes, and Bratleigh's portion of Social Security taxes does not come close to anyone's overall expenditures during retirement.
(09-03-2009 01:50 AM)dune67 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-29-2009 05:45 PM)NKBurlington Wrote: [ -> ]
CF Scorpio Wrote:For another thing, if he is going to trot out the old argument that his kids are paying for our social security, then he needs to consider that we are paying for his brats to go to school.
This is the part they always seem to forget and I am constantly reminding parents of this but they return by saying my portion of taxes does NOT compare to their overall expenditures.

Boo - Fucking -Hoo.

Yes, and Bratleigh's portion of Social Security taxes does not come close to anyone's overall expenditures during retirement.

That's so true and I wonder if they realize this?
I always love the breeders who say that their kids will pay for my social security. First of all, I'm already paying for it even though I know damn well I'll never see a dime of it. Second, my expenditures for their kids are more than theirs. Third is that at every workplace I've ever been at, there is the inevitable fundraising for the children. It's not enough I pay taxes, but then you want voluntary contributions as well?

The tax argument in particular:

Federal taxes - a small percentage. 2% according to the Feds, but welfare crosses into this.
State taxes - in PA 50% of your state tax goes directly to the school district you reside in.
Local tax - in PA another 50 % of those taxes go directly to the school district you live in.
Sales tax - in PA it's 50% that goes to the schools.
Property tax - this varies in PA but it's usually around 50%. Renters indirectly pay this through rent.

That's a hell of a lot of money. In PA it works out to over $6,500 per student per year.
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