* put on your potential conspiracy hats*
I would not necessarily assume that he did die as they had said.
Perhaps he was doing one of the religion's highly valued saunas to sweat out the illness and had the seizure there.
It would be unlikely that anyone would admit if that was the case.
The Scientologist's probably have a whole crew of highly skilled people standing by to " counsel " such influencial people in times of life crisis so that they do not move away from their religion.
From alt.religion.scientology... I enjoy reading stuff there, as there are a lot of former $cis with insight...
What Scientology will probably do about the tragic death of Jett Travolta
The news of the tragic death of Jett Travolta today is a sad event
indeed.
My sincere condolences go to the whole family and I hope they can
somehow eventually turn this situation into something positive in the
medium-long term. Life has ways of bringing the sunshine back after
dark clouds have lifted.
For those fans and media who will be trying to come to a real
understanding of what will happen with the John Travolta, Kelly
Preston and Scientology with regard to this, I can offer some educated
guesses based on a very long term (24 years) devoted experience and
membership in Scientology. [NOTE: I left Scientology in 1997 after
severe "irreconcilable differences" prevented me from wanting to
continue, so I am not a proponent of Hubbard or of Scientology now.
Indeed, I sued Scientology for fraud and other matters in 1998, but my
extensive experiences of how things work in the cult are still intact
and I doubt that Scientologists will be very open to providing such
information to the media or public].
The vast majority of people will have no idea what this kind of thing
will probably entail as far as Scientology style "follow up" is
concerned.
Firstly, information about what the family is doing will most likely
be curtailed or cut.
Scientology spokespeople will very likely give out generalized "press
releases" through lawyers or PR personnel that will give no real
substance for informing the public.
Secondly, the questions that have arisen about whether the anti-drug/
anti-pharmaceutical tenets of Scientology might possibly have actually
prevented Jett from receiving proper medical treatment or preventative
assistance will be downplayed, denied, ridiculed and/or harshly
criticized to try to get attention off the issue as fast as possible.
This aspect, however, may not just "go away". It is a question of life
or death, after all...
Thirdly, the family will very likely go to Clearwater, Florida (or
maybe have Scientology professionals come to their Florida home, but
this is far less likely) to the Oak Cove building and/or Sandcastle
Hotel for what Scientology calls "handlings". These handlings will
very likely entail the following;
0. Meeting with the staff member who deals with grieving people to
cover physical details of a funeral and/or a memorial. Then those
arrangements would be planned and carried out. The liaison would
probably be done the current celebrity handler who would be a high
ranking Sea Organization member.
1.Ethics interviews and associated procedures. (Scientology's
"Division 1" services.)
This aspect of services would look into the unfortunate and tragic
event of Jett's death being a possible result of some kind of personal
ethics breach or lack of integrity by the parents. In particular the
individual parents would have separate interviews about their own role
in the tragedy or how come they "pulled in" (a Scientology ethics
jargon term) such an awful situation by something in their own
behavior.
The Scientology celebrity ethics officer would also actively look for
one or more people in the Travoltas' circle of friends, acquaintances
who might be antagonistic to or even anti-Scientology and who could
have had sufficient negative influence to "cause" such a tragedy. That
person would then be the target of possible disconnection (shunning),
firing or lawsuit/fair game. There would be many steps possible for
John and Kelly coming out of the "Ethics" handlings, and these could
not be predicted here.
***It is worthy of note that the potential question of NOT giving
proper or adequate medication would not be considered a Scientology
ethics violation due to L.Ron Hubbard's indoctrination to avoid such
medical or psychological types of treatment. In fact, the failure to
give doctor-recommended drugs or medications to Jett might factually
be considered to be a laudable Scientology ethics matter.***
2.Correction interviews and procedural steps (Scientology's "Division
5" services).
These steps, sometimes called "Review" would be services designed to
address any failures of John or Kelly (and/or Jett's caretaker, as I
believe he is a Scientologist) to have properly applied relevant
Scientology technologies to their son or his living situation within
the family. Any strictly Scientology-dictated ways of living that are
detected as to having been omitted or misapplied would have to be re-
studied and drilled till they become second nature.
3.Technical sessions ("auditing") (Scientology's "Division 4"
services.
This would be some very expensive counseling sessions and personal
programs designed to remove, if possible, all the negative emotions
from this awful tragedy. This can cost up to $1000 an hour. The
outcome of this step is varied in its success and can take weeks or
months to complete.
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A more cynical prediction: I would also comfortably estimate that
Scientology, as an organization, would attempt to get the maximum
financial and public relations benefit from this horrible tragedy. It
will be interesting to watch how they go about doing this. In any case
the organization through its spokespeople will tend to avoid truth,
responsibility and facts. It will also use the media without being of
any real service to the media. Hubbard hated journalists almost as
much as he hated psychologists, doctors and psychiatrists.
Michael Pattinson
This is too bad. And worse with all the ick in conjuction with the Scientology crap.
I tend to forget that John and Kelly are part of that cult. (So they could be considered moderates, I suppose.)
And the thing is, their kids are NEVER in the news. You never heard Jett going out and doing stupid stuff. Could be that he had a handler or just that John and Kelly were decent parents. But considering how often you read about any little slip up of celebs and their kids, I think he probably was a good kid.
It is a shame that what these people call a "religion" will do exactly the opposite of what most spiritual groups promote. Healing and a comfort in a time of need and crisis. This cult will blame the child and the parents for something that is neither's fault. Rather than give them love and comfort during this heartbreak.
Based on the circumstances presented here, I'm not sure Jett was mentally capable of going out to do stupid stuff on his own. It sounds as if they kept a very tight reign on him. He had two nannies and a baby monitor at the time of the accident. I imagine his life was pretty controlled.
I saw that business about a nanny and a baby monitor. The kid was SIXTEEN for god's sakes. He was obviously developmentally delayed. I just think it's weird that they won't call a spade a spade. They keep claiming it's 'Kawasaki syndrome' which goes away by the time you are five. Typical $ci crap, to try and deflect away from the real issues by throwing out fake issues. I think the fact he had a nanny and a baby monitor at age 16 clearly indicates the kid was special needs.
dune67 Wrote:Based on the circumstances presented here, I'm not sure Jett was mentally capable of going out to do stupid stuff on his own. It sounds as if they kept a very tight reign on him. He had two nannies and a baby monitor at the time of the accident. I imagine his life was pretty controlled.
Now that you mention it, I wondered about that. The boy did have a look of someone who may have had some issue. The few pictures that I saw, Jett was built like many Down's kids that I know. (I am not saying that he had Down's, but there are many levels of developemental issues.) Plus if they didn't control seizures with some sort of meds, that will some times cause issues.
I heard on the news today that everyone in Hollywood knew Jett had Autism but no one said anything. To be perfectly honest, I didn't even know they had a 16 year old son. Mind you, I tend not to pay much attention to HollyWierd.
The family did a pretty good job of keeping their kids out of the spotlight. I think they have one other kid, but know nothing about her (him?) I just remember Jett as one of the first I remember having a stupid baby name.
Even so- very sad. I can't imagine how awful it would be to lose a child and just hope that whatever good can come of the situation - does.
kirby Wrote:The family did a pretty good job of keeping their kids out of the spotlight. I think they have one other kid, but know nothing about her (him?) I just remember Jett as one of the first I remember having a stupid baby name.
Even so- very sad. I can't imagine who awful it would be to lose a child and just hope that whatever good can come of the situation - does.
Little girl about 6 or so. Ella, though she has a weird middle name like Bleu.
I was just downstairs (I'm at work) talking to one of the special ed teachers who specializes in the autism spectrum disorders. She said there are certain facial features that distinguish autism, and especially so on the severe end, and Jett had them all. She said she would bet money that he was on the severe end of autistic.
Jett This is so so very sad indeed.