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Some students want Bs for effort, survey says
But spoiled kids don't get better grades
SHANNON PROUDFOOT, Canwest News Service
Published: Tuesday, November 11
Most university students believe that if they're "trying hard," a professor should reconsider their grade.

That is one of the revelations in a newly published study examining students' sense of academic entitlement, or the mentality that enrolling in post-secondary education is akin to shopping in a store where the customer is always right.

The paper describes academic entitlement as "expectations of high marks for modest effort and demanding attitudes toward teachers."


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Font:****It's a hot topic - and source of frustration - among instructors, says author Ellen Greenberger, a research professor of psychology and social behaviour at the University of California-Irvine.

"I would have trembled with fear before I suggested to some of my revered teachers that I wanted them to give me a higher grade," she says, chuckling about how attitudes have changed.

Greenberger's study reveals that students who are academically entitled are more likely to academically cheat, exploit others, shirk hard work and display "narcissistic orientation."

She found virtually no connection between self-entitled attitudes and grades, meaning it's not just weak students trying to wheedle better marks out of their profs, and those who do so aren't reaping the benefits on their transcripts.

"It certainly suggests that these attitudes and behaviours aren't producing the desired effect," she says. "It's just making teachers crazy."

Greenberg was surprised that parenting appears to have little influence in shaping self-entitled students, with one key exception: students who say their parents often compare their achievements to siblings, cousins or friends are more likely to engage in these behaviours.

The study, which surveyed two groups of about 400 undergraduates age 18 to 25, is published in the November issue of the Journal of Youth and Adolescence.

Technology may encourage some of this behaviour because email is quick, provides easy access to professors and opens the door to a less formal and respectful tone, Greenberger says.

"In-person communication obliges you to look the person in the eye as you're about to say, 'You really ought to give me a B because I came to most of the classes.'" she says. "Try saying that face-to-face."

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Reasonable accommodation in the classroom

The study asked approximately 400 undergraduates age 18 to 25 whether they agreed with these statements:

- If I try hard, my professor should consider that in my grade 66.2%

- If I have completed most of the reading, I deserve a B grade 40.7%

- If I have attended most of the classes, I deserve at least a B 34.1%

- I often get lower grades than I deserve on paper assignments 31.5%

- A professor should let me reschedule my exams for personal reasons 29.9%

- A professor should lend me his/her course notes if ask for them 24.8%

- I'd think poorly of a professor who didn't answer an email the same day 23.5%

- Professors have no right to be annoyed if I come late or leave early 16.8%

- A professor should not be annoyed if I get an important call during class 16.5%

- A professor should meet me at my preferred time, even if inconvenient 11.2%
Those expectations are unbelievable. If you try hard, you'll get a good grade! Geez! I'm really floored with this entitlement generation.

Though I'm a little iffy on the rescheduling the exams for personal reasons one. I think it should depend on the reason. Life happens, and I don't think someone should fail a class because they happened to get in an accident on the day of an exam and spend that day in the hospital. But likewise, asking a prof to reschedule because you're hungover from drinking too much the night before? Uh, no.
Geez! A "B" for effort? I would think a "C" for effort would be more like it. In my day, a B was a very good grade, and As were rare. My, how times have changed.

This whole article reminds me of that scene in "Clueless" when Cher tells her lawyer dad that she got a grade changed by talking to the teacher, and instead of getting mad, he tells her how proud he is that she negotiated.
I bust my ass in order to earn the A's I'm getting. I would NEVER even THINK that just trying should get me good grades. I bust my butt, BUT I also produce good work!

Now, for an aside.....

Of course I have one class that will likely alter my 4.0 GPA this semester and unfortunately, it's not due to the work I'm producing. About 3 weeks before classes started the instructor was announced for my Life Drawing II class and I was FURIOUS! It was the same instructor that I had for Drawing II and the guy is not only a poor instructor, but he also doesn't even seem to want to teach. He regularly showed up late for classes, didn't have any definite plans for the class structure, wouldn't monitor the work being done in the class (sat up front and read a book instead)....he just plain showed NO motivation. I tried VERY hard to get in to the other Life Drawing class offered (which also meant COMPLETELY changing my schedule) but because most of the classes I would need to move in to were closed and the instructors weren't yet assigned (you need an instructor's signature to get in to the class) it couldn't be done. I'd made TONS of phone calls and even spoke to the head of the Fine Art Department. Unfortunately even the Fine Arts head couldn't do anything for me because they'd just divided Fine Art in to Drawing and Painting and he was now only in charge of Painting (the head of Drawing was out of the country until a few days before classes started). Anyway, I had to explain several times (to eachwhy I wanted to change classes so I explained that I'd had the instructor before and although I got an A in the class I learned nothing from the instructor (of course I'd also put this on his evaluation sheet last year, but apparently it didn't do any good because they've now hired the guy on full-time).

Well, I'm sure some of this has gotten back to him. I'm at EVERY class (in this class attendance does count.....it is LIFE drawing after all so we need to be there to draw the models provided......there are more than a few that have attended half OR LESS of the classes), I work hard EVERY class to produce good quality work, I'm probably in the top 3 people in the class as far as work produced (of the 12 drawings chosen to hang in the hallway right now 5 of them are mine) and I've produced quality work for outside assignments and yet when he handed over our mid-term grades mine was a B-. B-? BULLSHIT! There is no fucking way. He claims it's because I'm not "improving" enough and because he expected more out of my outside assignments.

Let me tell you a little about the outside assignment issue. We've had three assignments so far......a hand study (3 or more hands in an interesting arrangement done in contour line), a foot study (same directions as the hand study) and a bald self-portrait (contour line, interesting composition & drawn without hair). I followed the instructions TO THE LETTER on these assignments even though contour line is an issue for me and I would have done FAR better work if the assignment were full or even partial value (the issue with my contour line is something I SHOULD have learned in drawing II but didn't because I had THIS SAME instructor.......the issue is changes in line weight). Anyway, every single time we get to class for the critique on these projects and guess what......I'm the ONLY person who has done contour line. Every single other person has full value. Although the instructor DID mention that this was a contour line project before starting the critiques the ONLY negative on my critique was that value would make it a much nicer drawing! WTF! So, on my homework assignments I've received a B, a B- and a B (despite the fact that every single one of them was one of the three chosen to hang in the hallway.

I sat down with another Life Drawing instructor and had him evaluate the work I have so far this semester and he says that not only am I very talented at drawing, but I've made huge improvements on my work. He said that the work I'm doing is probably one level up from the class I'm in and he certainly thinks it's A work bordering on A+. I will speak with another instructor too (just in case....so I have someone to back me up).

SO, I may for the first time ever have to argue a grade and I feel I can do it without shame.

Okay.....sorry......rant over.
CF Scorpio Wrote:Geez! A "B" for effort? I would think a "C" for effort would be more like it. In my day, a B was a very good grade, and As were rare. My, how times have changed.

I totally agree. I remember when an 'A' was very, very hard to get and students getting a 4.0 quarter after quarter were a handful.
Now days, everyone seems to be on the honor roll. It's the norm. Students seem to be bragging about their 4.3 GPAs, too. Everyone is in advanced classes that can be applied towards college credits as well.

Shit, if getting a "B" for effort is what is happening, I'm going back to college!

PrairieGirl

Yes, at the beginning of each semester, I remind the students that average work is...what? -- the class usually calls out "B", with one or two knowing that average is "C". B is ABOVE average. A is SUPERIOR quality work!

Yes, I had a LOT of crying and whining this year, because "I was an A student in english in high school, I've never had a D in my life!" Welcome to college, people.
Quote: If I have completed most of the reading, I deserve a B grade 40.7%

- If I have attended most of the classes, I deserve at least a B 34.1%

HAHAHA! What a joke. "Completed *most* of the reading?" When I was at Cornell you'd better have completed ALL of the reading even to get a C-!

Attending class was essential. No profs took attendance but the more you attended the better you did. I cannot imagine expecting a B just for showing up!

What complete crap. I really do fear for the future. What a bunch of entitlement-minded whiners.

I hope to hell that Cornell hasn't changed and it's still as tough as ever. At least a few kids are getting a real education - I don't mean just the book-learning kind, I mean an education in life.
I agree, what BS. That being said I made mostly A's in Technical College without trying. I'm now at Uni and I am doing better than I expected esp. Maybe things come easy for me I don't know. But I would never expect an A for just showing up or doing "some" of the reading, I would never be late or take calls in class either. Good grief!

I know why it was easy for me to excel at my 2 previous jobs. Why they loved me and I got more privaliges and opportunities. I was on time and reliable all the time. Scary how that's all it takes anymore. Wow if this is what the future is, it's going to be easy for me to rise to the top!
I had a professor in undergrad who once told me that in his gradebook, there was a difference between a zero and a blank spot. This usually only happened for homework, where there were just one or two questions (math classes), so a zero wasn't too hard to get. Even so, things like that, and spending lots of time in his office outside of class trying to understand things, didn't get someone a certain letter grade. Those things were sometimes the difference between the minus, letter grade, or plus. I didn't even dream of expecting THAT much out of all my effort in that particular class, let alone asking for it, but it made the difference between a C+ and a B- for me. I thought I really deserved the C+ because that's about as much as I felt like I understood that semester and I was damn grateful for the mercy bestowed upon me by my prof. Fuckin' punkass kids these days... *shakes fist menacingly*
Quote:Of course I have one class that will likely alter my 4.0 GPA this semester and unfortunately, it's not due to the work I'm producing.

I had one of those professors, too. He taught half the class in German, talked about his trips to Europe and all the holy men he met, and told us to bring Bibles to our exams (this was not a religion nor a German course). I got a 73 or a 72 at the end of the semester and was the highest grade in the class. My 4.0 never recovered. Sad
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